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Poll: What kind of artwork would you have Erol Otus Commission for the Acaeum?

I have no interest in any Erol Otus artwork. 9%       9%  [ 11 ]
I prefer a color, 11x17 print. 15%       15%  [ 18 ]
I prefer a black & white 11x17 print. 5%       5%  [ 6 ]
I prefter a color, 17x24 print. 59%       59%  [ 69 ]
I prefer a black & white 17x24 print. 6%       6%  [ 7 ]
I prefer something else larger. 5%       5%  [ 6 ]
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Post Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:50 pm 
 

Gonna use UHU and stick it to some cardboard. If I make the vardboard slightly big it'd be like having a frame.


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Post Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 5:22 pm 
 

misterspock wrote:
Barring anyone selling their print, the only other possibility would be one that hasn't been auctioned off yet through the NTRPG con. I can't recall whether the last remaining one or two were auctioned already.


My understanding is that there is one left to be auctioned off at NTRPGCON (North Texas RPG Convention) next June.  What I don't know is if you have to be present to bid.  The bid process is likely going to be determined by Badmike and Scketrewhisp, so whatever they say is what really matters.  And I suspect they'll want to get as much money for it as possible, so the parameters are likely to be open to non-attenders in some form or fashion. I hope this helps.  8)


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Post Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 5:23 pm 
 

Dwizardkitty wrote:Are there any of these prints left? I'm a newbie and just found this thread!  :oops:


There are only two unclaimed prints (#64 & #65), both of which will go up for auction at future NTRPG Con auctions.  One next year, one in the future. I can't tell you yet if you can bid on these without attending.  I have a feeling, with these going out to unanimous acclaim, the value on the only two un-owned copies might be sky high, seeing the interest these are now provoking!

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Post Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 5:38 pm 
 

JasonZavoda wrote:
Blue tack, have to use blue tack on it. Do they still make that stuff?


one thing i always wondered about....why was blue tack just blue...could have had white tack or purple tack or... well you see what i am saying...wider selling angle!

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Post Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 5:40 pm 
 

Badmike wrote:
There are only two unclaimed prints (#64 & #65), both of which will go up for auction at future NTRPG Con auctions.  One next year, one in the future. I can't tell you yet if you can bid on these without attending.  I have a feeling, with these going out to unanimous acclaim, the value on the only two un-owned copies might be sky high, seeing the interest these are now provoking!

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very rare item to start with and very in demand as well i would say. less copies than an orange B3 :)

imo they should only be on sale to those at the con...i mean it would BE WORTH GOING TO THE CON ANYWAY guys...so get it while youre there? sheesh already :)

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Post Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 5:59 pm 
 

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very rare item to start with and very in demand as well i would say. less copies than an orange B3 :)

imo they should only be on sale to those at the con...i mean it would BE WORTH GOING TO THE CON ANYWAY guys...so get it while youre there? sheesh already :)

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I actually hope to auction the print myself, telling a little history behind it and how rare it is....the ONLY limited print EVER by EO, only 65 copies, and to top it off, 90% or more are in the hands of collectors (Acaeum members) who rarely part with their goodies.

I predict it should go for quite a bit.....! And I think that those who had a chance and didn't buy a copy for under $100 are going to be kicking themselves in years to come.

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Post Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 6:41 pm 
 

killjoy32 wrote:
one thing i always wondered about....why was blue tack just blue...could have had white tack or purple tack or... well you see what i am saying...wider selling angle!

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According to the wikipedia entry there have been other colours recently.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-Tack


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Post Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 6:02 pm 
 

Hi Mike -

My print arrived today - it's superb, better than I had hoped. The images online really don't do it justice.

I think the mailing tube had something large and heavy riding on top of it the whole way from Texas though - when it arrived here, instead of being round it was pretty much football shaped. Both the end caps had popped out, with only the tape keeping them with the tube.

It meant that the print got a little creased in a couple of spots - nothing too serious, no tears, and I think they'll smooth out with the framing process. Thanks for the great packing job you did with such a sturdy tube - without it, I'm pretty sure the print would have folded like an omlette.

Thanks again to the whole committe - a stupendous job all round.

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Post Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 6:08 pm 
 

killjoy32 wrote:
one thing i always wondered about....why was blue tack just blue...could have had white tack or purple tack or... well you see what i am saying...wider selling angle!

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I think purple tack was in the Fiend Folio.  ;)

  

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Post Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 11:18 pm 
 

mdr003 wrote:Hi Mike -

My print arrived today - it's superb, better than I had hoped. The images online really don't do it justice.

I think the mailing tube had something large and heavy riding on top of it the whole way from Texas though - when it arrived here, instead of being round it was pretty much football shaped. Both the end caps had popped out, with only the tape keeping them with the tube.

It meant that the print got a little creased in a couple of spots - nothing too serious, no tears, and I think they'll smooth out with the framing process. Thanks for the great packing job you did with such a sturdy tube - without it, I'm pretty sure the print would have folded like an omlette.

Thanks again to the whole committe - a stupendous job all round.

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Crap. Sorry about that Mike, one reason I wanted a really sturdy tube. Glad the tape kept the caps on the ends.  Hopefully the creases will flatten out...how did the Certificate of Authenticity make out?

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Post Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 7:01 pm 
 

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Crap. Sorry about that Mike, one reason I wanted a really sturdy tube. Glad the tape kept the caps on the ends.  Hopefully the creases will flatten out...how did the Certificate of Authenticity make out?

Mike B


Hi Mike -

Yeah, the tube was a lifesaver. The one you used was a lot stronger than the ones they sell at the post office here, and it made a huge difference.

The CoA was fine, as was the monster stats sheet. The only problem caused was the tube being flattened by something large and heavy - it was sturdy enough so it wasn't completely squashed, but it turned football shaped. And the print developed a couple of creases where it was pinched by the pointy ends of the tube.

I think they will flatten out OK under glass. I don't think you will be able to tell once I have it framed.

Thanks again....

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Post Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:45 am 
 

Hi Mike,

My print arrived in perfect condition here in Scotland. It got caught by customs who charges £18.35 to give me my tube, but there you go. Fantastic quality print. No idea how it will stand the test of time, colour fading wise (anyone know how colour fast this print process and ink is?).

Really pleased to have been a part of this. Really pleased with the efforts and the service the EO Committee provided.

Thank-you all.

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Post Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 8:26 am 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:Hi Mike,

My print arrived in perfect condition here in Scotland. It got caught by customs who charges £18.35 to give me my tube, but there you go. Fantastic quality print. No idea how it will stand the test of time, colour fading wise (anyone know how colour fast this print process and ink is?).

Really pleased to have been a part of this. Really pleased with the efforts and the service the EO Committee provided.

Thank-you all.

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Thanks for the kudos.  Your print is of the highest archival quality.  Properly framed, showcased and protected, it should look new for centuries.  Even the Certificate of Authenticity is on archival paper.

Speaking of framing, I'd recommend "museum glass."  It's a little more expensive, but provides proper protection and optimal viewing.  8)


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Post Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:23 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:Hi Mike,

My print arrived in perfect condition here in Scotland. It got caught by customs who charges £18.35 to give me my tube, but there you go. Fantastic quality print. No idea how it will stand the test of time, colour fading wise (anyone know how colour fast this print process and ink is?).

Really pleased to have been a part of this. Really pleased with the efforts and the service the EO Committee provided.

Thank-you all.

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Damn, sorry about that Ian. Alternative is not to insure them, but then they are only covered for a set amount (I believe in this case $60) which would not have covered the cost of the item.

Personal note, ALL prints will be out by the end of August (Ok, first week of Sept, max).  Just lost another 4-5 days battling the Koobface virus, which is extremely serious business it turns out.  I'd like to personally thank John (Kingofpain), Doug (Sckterwhisp), and Doug's son David (David man forgot your Acaeum handle!) for helping me get rid of this shit.  What a great community of guys we have here, not just in putting together the EO print deal but in everything else.

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Post Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:58 pm 
 

Not at all. Better safe than sorry.


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Post Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 4:16 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:Hi Mike,

My print arrived in perfect condition here in Scotland. It got caught by customs who charges £18.35 to give me my tube, but there you go. Fantastic quality print. No idea how it will stand the test of time, colour fading wise (anyone know how colour fast this print process and ink is?).

Really pleased to have been a part of this. Really pleased with the efforts and the service the EO Committee provided.

Thank-you all.

Ian


Ian,

Concerning the carbon-based pigments used for this print, the printer's website states the following about the longevity of digital prints:

"One of the most volatile issues surrounding digital printmaking. While no one can say definitively exactly how long a particular print will last, a staggering amount of research has been done on the subject. RIT and Wilhelm Research Institute have both conducted independent studies on the lightfastness of various paper and ink combinations. RIT and Wilhelm Imaging Research both use high dosage fluorescent lighting to predict how long an ink might last in low doses of fluorescent lighting. Their tests however, do not give any indication of how an ink would perform when exposed to gallery lighting and ambient or direct sunlight.

Xenon testing, while being much more expensive to use, represents more realistically the full spectrum of light that inks are exposed to such as sunlight, incandescent, and fluorescent. Their tests were made with full-spectrum Xenon light at 1000 hours to better imitate the conditions in which prints fade (high levels of illumination). The carbon pigment that is used here is designed to perform without perceptible fade and color shifting in equivalent tests which give greater than 100 year longevity ratings to inks which have perceptible amounts of fade. As tempting as it is, we refrain from interpolating our less than perceptible fade into years. We're happy with less than perceptible fade"

The use of carbon-based pigments over dyes:

"In most cases. Dyes are synthetic, they are frequently unstable and most susceptible to fading. We have a deep concern for permanence and durability. With our digital pigment printing and carbon-based printing a pigment-based ink set is used. Pigments (derived from minerals) have stood the test of time. Pigment is a finely ground, particulate substance which, when mixed or ground into a liquid to make ink or paint, does not dissolve, but remains dispersed or suspended in the liquid. Pigments are categorized as either inorganic (mineral) or organic (synthetic)."

Though the information above is helpful, the print should be kept away from direct sunlight and, as benjoshua noted, use conservation or museum glass if feasible.

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Post Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 4:23 pm 
 

Out of curiosity, how long do you think the print can reasonably survive in the tube, rolled up? I ask because it may take me some time to get a suitable frame and I need to know if I should at least take it out now or if it can wait...


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Post Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 4:42 pm 
 

serleran wrote:Out of curiosity, how long do you think the print can reasonably survive in the tube, rolled up? I ask because it may take me some time to get a suitable frame and I need to know if I should at least take it out now or if it can wait...


Serl,

I'm unsure how long to leave a print rolled up.  However, the longer a print stays rolled up the longer it takes the framer to flatten it out.  I'm transferring my print to a stay-flat cardboard mailer, or something similar, wrapped with wax paper till I can have my print framed.  

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