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Gnat the Beggar
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:00 am

Mars wrote:
Isn't this exactly what lulu is?
I'll give lulu credit for a more finished product but they use "digital printing" which is essentially the same process as photocopying but different starting point.

Photocopy: Paper source ->Gets scanned in to create digital source->Printed out
Digital Print: Digital Source->Printed out

Neither use a conventional printing press method.

No it is not even close (IMO)
The printed out part is also different.
Not a simple "Photocopy"...
Yes, not a printing press, but Lulu has a MUCH better Printer than your average home office will.
And as you pointed out, their products do look quite good.
Much better than off my printer would.
And I have no way to make even a softcover book... with the nice looking covers, the glue... etc. either.
And Binding a hardback book?
NO WAY! :lol:

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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 2:34 pm

Anyway, most of small press products from 70-80's are no more than photocopies or printed home copies... and they are still considered as "official" products.
I think that Mars copy of G4 has to be considered as the true 1st print, definitely. Moreover, it has been done by the author himself...
(and I really like to get one now :evil: )

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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 2:43 pm

Right I agree that the Authors copies that were printed off and sold first are indeed 1st prints...
Just pointing out what I thought about the other thing...

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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 2:57 pm

Gnat the Beggar wrote:Just pointing out what I thought about the other thing...

All I wanted to point out about the printing is that it is a new middle of the road option. Up until a few years ago, your options were a lot more limited: photocopy or similar and full scale printing press. We would probably think of home printed items as less professional than photocopied.

As far as process goes, I think on demand printing (like lulu) is actually a lot closer to photocopy/home printing than it is to printing press. As a result though, you generally get a much nicer looking product than homebrew photocopy but maybe its all in the cover.

Suppose you printed out all the interior pages at home, then brought them somewhere to do the cover and binding - this is fairly cheap to do. This would be a step up from homebrew with comparable quality to "on demand printing".

So, you get quality end product for a cheap price - sounds like a good business :)

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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:11 pm

I think Lulu items are every bit as legitimate as other printed items.

But...for collecting purposes...unless they disappear from Lulu, there is no way for a Lulu item to be "rare" without some other extraordinary circumstance.

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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:20 pm

FormCritic wrote:I think Lulu items are every bit as legitimate as other printed items.

But...for collecting purposes...unless they disappear from Lulu, there is no way for a Lulu item to be "rare" without some other extraordinary circumstance.

Generally not "rare" but also no sense of print run. You buy an edition of the book, but typically, each book is its own print run (they probably do some batch printing if multiple orders on the day).

The overall problem with "rare" is that even if they do disappear from lulu, the pdf that it was printed from will still exist (generally for free download from some p2p site). So new prints can be made by anyone and look completely authentic. This is basically why they will never be worth more than what it costs to print them + some token amount. If they were ever a large money maker someone would take advantage and print (illegitimate) copies to sell.

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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:00 pm

FormCritic wrote:But...for collecting purposes...unless they disappear from Lulu, there is no way for a Lulu item to be "rare" without some other extraordinary circumstance.

I actually have a couple items in this category - pulled for copyright infringement.

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Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:34 am

FormCritic wrote:I think Lulu items are every bit as legitimate as other printed items.

But...for collecting purposes...unless they disappear from Lulu, there is no way for a Lulu item to be "rare" without some other extraordinary circumstance.

I had RC1 The Thing in the Valley (pdf version) on Lulu for about two weeks before I pulled it. I think it sold around 20-25 pdf copies before I decided that I was not going to pursue pdf sales. It is the only pdf version I have ever done of any of my modules. So for those who have one, you have a rare pdf. :lol:

And I could've bought these damn modules off the 1$ rack!!!

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Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:17 am

bbarsh wrote:
I had RC1 The Thing in the Valley (pdf version) on Lulu for about two weeks before I pulled it. I think it sold around 20-25 pdf copies before I decided that I was not going to pursue pdf sales. It is the only pdf version I have ever done of any of my modules. So for those who have one, you have a rare pdf. :lol:

So this means my 1st print RC1 Modules are actually NOT 1st prints at all... :(

CRAP! :lol:

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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 1:01 pm

I'll end up with a bit of duplication in my picture posting today, but there is a little something different in each thread...

In the same week, I managed to find both Aussie modules that I was looking for. Weird!

http://www.gweep.net/~rubin/misc/au.comp.jpg

After looking for quite a while, I finished up Call Of Cthulhu box sets in quick succession. That's 1E1p, 1E2p, 2E, and 3E in the top row. (Yes, I have HotOE too, but it doesn't really go with the others visually.) I'm amused that 1E1p and MoN are in the nicest condition.

http://www.gweep.net/~rubin/misc/cth.comp.jpg

And here's a weird group that I'm calling complete, because there are no other dice alternatives from back in the day that have any nostalgia for me.

http://www.gweep.net/~rubin/misc/dice.comp.jpg

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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 1:11 pm

Oooh. Mindbane :mrgreen:

This week I've been mostly eating . . . The white ones with the little red flecks in them.

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Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 10:45 pm

Whoops, I thought I'd finished off this collection of Catalyst books, but after taking the photo realized I'm missing one :?

Still, I like the composition and enjoy the books, especially Traps & the later Citybooks, so I'll go ahead & share the photos anyway :D

I draw the line at collecting... D&D beach towels.

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Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 11:06 pm

davidc wrote:Whoops, I thought I'd finished off this collection of Catalyst books, but after taking the photo realized I'm missing one :?

Still, I like the composition and enjoy the books, especially Traps & the later Citybooks, so I'll go ahead & share the photos anyway :D

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There are 2 Lejenta items I'm not seeing. Is there another wrapped with campaign book one?

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Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 11:36 pm

JasonZavoda wrote:
There are 2 Lejenta items I'm not seeing. Is there another wrapped with campaign book one?

Yeah, that looks like a bundle. I think David is saying that he missed one of the Maps books.

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Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 1:10 am

One of the Lejentia bundles usually has an issue of the comic as well but most people probably don't collect the RPG related comics. Aren't the Central Casting books part of the Catalyst books too (its been a while since I looked at these)?

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Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 7:53 am

Right, yes it's Maps 1 that I missed :( I think I'll hang on & try to find one in a flgs, rather than grab it off ebay... might take a while, butafter all, that's why they call it collect-ing, right? :)

The Central Casting books that I have all have the Task Force logo in the corner instead of the Catalyst logo (which is where I drew the distinction)... I'm not 100% of the relationship between FBI & TF back then, I note Michael Stackpole's name appears in both product lines (probably others)... <edit: Paul Jacquays too, of course >

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Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 8:25 am

Great collection David :)

davidc wrote:Whoops, I thought I'd finished off this collection of Catalyst books, but after taking the photo realized I'm missing one :?

And to complete, few other books:

Adventures in Austerion : a fantasy RPG, with boardgame mechanisms and modular battlemap. By Guillaume Tavernier and GÃ©raud G.

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Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 9:28 am

lokiwookie wrote:
And to complete, few other books:

That Citybook is the UK edition, right?

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