dsaunders wrote:i am not a framer by professional, although i've know many.  but apparently it takes no skill and you're an expert.  i suggest you open up your own shop and put all the other out of business.

Any monkey can use a saw and make a frame out of a couple bits of wood.  But that's not framing, a process which requires a great deal of artistic skill, practice, and patience to do well.  

I'd recommend those on a budget seek out an art school, where you'll generally find plenty of students willing to practice framing on the cheap.  (Or heck, take a course and learn something while you're there...maybe even a framing course.)

Will the shipping tubes be sealed? Or will the postie be free to be nosey and open them up? I realise customes may want to anyhow, but at least they tend to take care.

Will the value be customs declared?

"I'd recommend those on a budget seek out an art school, where you'll generally find plenty of students willing to practice framing on the cheap."

The trouble here is that a student probably doesn't really give a crap if something goes wrong with your art. If it gets damaged then what do you do?

The reason I use independent framers PART 2:

Framers are insured so that if your art becomes FUBAR you have some recourse. Independent framers are even better in that you know exactly who F'd up your art... Say you go to some big box store, Michaels for instance, and your art disappears into the back room. Then you get the piece back and it's F'd up. Then what do you do? Of course you get to talk to all sorts of people who could really give a shit less cause they have 0 accountability and so you talk and talk and talk and someday the matter is resolved after all the headaches... hopefully.
Use an independent and you know who to blame and they know you know... They're less likely to mess around than some student or minimum wage teenager at Michaels who doesn't have anything to worry about if they screw up your art.
I will go further and say that my Part 1 advice only applies to independents if you bothered reading that and of course the independents know they're competing with the big box store and if they're any good they will try and give you more upside in dealing with them.
Finally, I have an art degree and never had any frame classes offered to me. If they were I would've been happy to take them and experiment my framing skills with other peoples artwork

dsaunders wrote:
i completely agree, that's the exact point i was trying to make.  unfortunately it seems some people don't recognize this difference, and i grew tired of the insults...

What a load of crap.

This guy is just pushing rip-off costs for framing.

If you have the bucks to throw away, then sure, throw it away on something a junior highschool student can learn to do in an hour with prepared parts. Hell, you can probably go to a craft store and pick up prepared frame parts for a fraction of what this suppossedly highly skilled labor is going to cost you.

It is a freaking scam, I'm not sure why this bozo wants everyone here to be taken in by this kind of couple of hundred bucks to frame an $85 print scam, but it is a scam. There are a lot of ways to frame this print so it looks great without dropping that kind of money.

Framing is equivalent to building a bookcase, only easier and with less wood.

Another monkey on the ignore list, and because of framing?

JasonZavoda wrote:
What a load of crap.

This guy is just pushing rip-off costs for framing.

If you have the bucks to throw away, then sure, throw it away on something a junior highschool student can learn to do in an hour with prepared parts. Hell, you can probably go to a craft store and pick up prepared frame parts for a fraction of what this suppossedly highly skilled labor is going to cost you.

It is a freaking scam, I'm not sure why this bozo wants everyone here to be taken in by this kind of couple of hundred bucks to frame an $85 print scam, but it is a scam. There are a lot of ways to frame this print so it looks great without dropping that kind of money.

Framing is equivalent to building a bookcase, only easier and with less wood.

Another monkey on the ignore list, and because of framing?

I assume that just about everything is a "freaking scam" to you eh?  Do you make your own tires for your car as well?     I really dont think that calling people "bozo" and "monkey" just because they arent as mechanically inclined as you are or dont share your enthusiasm for building stuff with your own hands is a good thing.  But please feel free to disregard what I say just like you do everyone else around here that you obviously consider to be of lesser intelligence simply because they didnt take shop class like you did.

And please feel free to put me on your "ignore list" as well you arrogant twit.  

The problem is basically that if the art is damaged (or worse) you're out permanently unless you can get a replacement. Refunds don't really deal with unique one-of items and although this is a print (and one I'm not getting regardless) I'm just contributing my 02c to anyone who hasn't been to the frame store before

It's not "unique" and not an investment. I'll just hang mine like its a poster... direct thumb tacks.

Or, maybe I won't.

JasonZavoda wrote:
What a load of crap.

This guy is just pushing rip-off costs for framing.

If you have the bucks to throw away, then sure, throw it away on something a junior highschool student can learn to do in an hour with prepared parts. Hell, you can probably go to a craft store and pick up prepared frame parts for a fraction of what this suppossedly highly skilled labor is going to cost you.

It is a freaking scam, I'm not sure why this bozo wants everyone here to be taken in by this kind of couple of hundred bucks to frame an $85 print scam, but it is a scam. There are a lot of ways to frame this print so it looks great without dropping that kind of money.

Framing is equivalent to building a bookcase, only easier and with less wood.

Another monkey on the ignore list, and because of framing?

yes, you caught me, i'm being paid by professional framers to post here  

your posts so far are are arrogant, condescending, and lack reason.  feel free to add me to your ignore list.

JasonZavoda wrote:Another monkey on the ignore list, and because of framing?

It might be easier to start making a list of who isn't on that list.  Could leave you more time to get that framing and bookshelf business off the ground.  Seems like there's more money in it that selling $1 RPG books.