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Post Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:32 pm 
 

Over on Dragonsfoot Dragonsfoot • View topic - B/X: No holes? some folks spotted these two auctions:


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The Basic Sets page @ Basic Set makes no distinction between or mention of the holed vs. non-holed variations of the Basic rulebooks, while the Expert page @ Expert @ Expert Set explictly states that all of the Cook/Marsh Expert sets were hole-punched.  The statement on the Basic Modules page @ Basic Series is that

The 3-hole-punching on some of the early B-series modules does seem to indicate a different printing (probably earlier), but this is not proven.


So, should we conclude that the non-hole-punched versions of the Basic and Expert sets are probably later printings, like the modules??


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Post Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:52 pm 
 

In a word, no.

One could easily have for example 30,000 copies printed of a book or module, then have 5,000 go through a hole-punching process. It's the same exact printing, only some have an extra step applied at the end.

IMHO, it's no more a new printing than the ones attached to hangers. Unless someone has evidence suggesting otherwise, I suspect they added the hangers to unsold stock. The print is the same. If an entire print run was made solely to be added to hangers, then it would classify as a new print.

In a similar vein, unless it could be shown that non-hole-punched versions were made solely that way as a separate print run, I don't see them as anything special to warrant a new print designation.


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Post Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 6:41 pm 
 

SimperingToad wrote in hole-less Moldvay/Cook Basic/Expert booklets?:In a word, no.

One could easily have for example 30,000 copies printed of a book or module, then have 5,000 go through a hole-punching process. It's the same exact printing, only some have an extra step applied at the end.

IMHO, it's no more a new printing than the ones attached to hangers. Unless someone has evidence suggesting otherwise, I suspect they added the hangers to unsold stock. The print is the same. If an entire print run was made solely to be added to hangers, then it would classify as a new print.

In a similar vein, unless it could be shown that non-hole-punched versions were made solely that way as a separate print run, I don't see them as anything special to warrant a new print designation.


Weren't the modules with hangers sold at a discount when Toys  R Us was dumping its backstock of AD&D/AD&D items? I remember them in a display holder but can't remember whether it was generic or from TSR.


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Post Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 9:29 pm 
 

JasonZavoda wrote in hole-less Moldvay/Cook Basic/Expert booklets?:
SimperingToad wrote in hole-less Moldvay/Cook Basic/Expert booklets?:In a word, no.

One could easily have for example 30,000 copies printed of a book or module, then have 5,000 go through a hole-punching process. It's the same exact printing, only some have an extra step applied at the end.

IMHO, it's no more a new printing than the ones attached to hangers. Unless someone has evidence suggesting otherwise, I suspect they added the hangers to unsold stock. The print is the same. If an entire print run was made solely to be added to hangers, then it would classify as a new print.

In a similar vein, unless it could be shown that non-hole-punched versions were made solely that way as a separate print run, I don't see them as anything special to warrant a new print designation.


Weren't the modules with hangers sold at a discount when Toys  R Us was dumping its backstock of AD&D/AD&D items? I remember them in a display holder but can't remember whether it was generic or from TSR.


I seem to remember it was TSR themselves who were  behind that, attempting to clear their warehouse of unsold stock.  At least they did something similar at any rate.


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Post Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:37 pm 
 

I wouldn't call the hole punched versions a separate printing but more of a variation.  Other modules have common variations such as taller versions or slightly different colour variations, etc.

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