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Post Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 9:01 pm 
 

The link below is to James Wards Facebook page where he explains his account of why pages were removed from the Deities and Demigods book  after the first printing.

https://www.facebook.com/james.m.ward.7 ... 2718168372


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Post Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:03 am 
 

Interesting, thanks.

Quoted for non-face bookers and for posterity:

James M. Ward
20 February at 05:39 · Edited ·
Deities & Demigods
Let me set the record straight on this again. I wrote the book Deities & Demigods with some slight help from others. In doing this work I included myths from H.P. Lovecraft's works and Elric of M. Moorcock works. Gary Gygax gave me M. Moorcock's address and I wrote him for permission and got it because I said it would renew peoples interests in his books. I wrote to Arkham House which was in my state of Wisconsin and also got the rights to Lovecraft's material. Going forward both groups sold their rights to Chaosium in California. Lawyers from Chaosium then sent a cease and desist letter to TSR. TSR had the permissions I gave them, but they had no money for lawyers at that time. So Brian Blume decided to take out those two sections. I went crazy. I had done my homework, I had gotten ironclad permission, and TSR wasn't going to fight it. I offered to replace the two sections with new ones and was told no. There was no copyright infringement. That was 30+ years ago. Every five years or so some idiot brings up the fact that TSR was in infringement on this book. Let me tell the people of the world who bring this up that they don't have their facts straight and it irritates the hell out of me.

  

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Post Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:27 am 
 

Thank the Gods for that SNAFU because for years it let me pull out my "cool" copy of DDG and instantly have mojo cred with any gaming group of n00bs.  "Yes, it is as rare as the Necronomicon itself.  No, you may not handle my book much less make photocopies."  The fact that all my regular gaming friends also had one was only somewhat disappointing.

  

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Post Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:27 am 
 

ctimmins wrote in Deities and Demigods: The fact that all my regular gaming friends also had one was only somewhat disappointing.


Starting to think their not rare at all, every other one on eBay seems to be one lol.


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Post Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 4:43 am 
 

I don't think that "without permission" story is ever going to go away

Deities & Demigods by Ward, James M. & Kuntz, Robert J.: TSR 9780935696226 Hard Cover, F First Edition Hardcover - Massoglia Books

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This includes the Cthulhu Mythos by H. P. Lovecraft, the Melnibone Mythos by Michael Moorcock, and the Newhon Mythos by Fritz Leiber which were used in the first printing without permission from the copyright owners. Only the first two printings contain this material. The second printing gives credit to Chaosium for permitting use of Cthulhu & Melnibone. The Lovecraft & Moorcock materials were removed from later editions,

  


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Post Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:31 pm 
 

How does James Ward's account fit in with the "thanks"? If TSR pulled it because of a cease & desist and no lawyers to push back on it, at what point did the C and M mythoi stay there with the thanks added?

I had heard (can't remember from where) that TSR removed them so that they were not "supporting" a competitor's products.

  
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