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Post Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2016 1:48 am 
 

in searching through the forums, I only found this mention of a three hole punched B2 by Curt at a Gen Con auction

cgould42 wrote in Special Addition to the 2012 Gen Con Auction:D&D Adventure Modules B1 & B2        TSR         Role-playing Game
B1 - brown cover version, B2 - TSR wizard face logo version. (Hole punched under shrink wrap which I have not seen before).


Was this version ever discussed elsewhere or does anyone have one? I think I came across one (not in shrink) and it matches the printing info for our 5th print. The hole punching doesn't look like a DIY type job


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Post Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 1:09 am 
 

It probably doesn't help but I've seen dozens and dozens of B2's and I've never come across a hole-punch. It seems B4 was the only one to have a hole-punch?

  

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Post Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:01 am 
 

I'll get some photos posted, but I know what you mean. I've come across tons of those modules and I dont recall seeing the hole punching before. But tbh I wasn't really actively looking for it. I wonder if there were hole punched B3's as well?

  

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Post Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 2:29 pm 
 

this set looks fairly new, so I doubt it was frankensteined. The interior booklet for B2 is hole-punched (doesnt look unprofessionally done, right?) but the cover is not hole-punched


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Post Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 2:55 pm 
 

I think the telling aspect on that auction is that the booklet is punched, but the cover is not. AFAIK, the whole thing should be punched, ala B4 and X1 (the only two I recall being factory punched).

Punching itself is not indicative of a new printing, any more than attaching to a hanger or having perforated pages. Those things are done at the end of the process. Or nearly so for perfed pages. They're done before the final binding of a book.


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Post Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 6:42 pm 
 

just for posterity, here are some more images. One from that same auction

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Post Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 6:44 pm 
 

and here are from another
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Post Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 6:45 pm 
 

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Post Posted: Fri May 06, 2016 1:22 pm 
 

I have a hole punched 5th print in original shrink. I will try to get a pic of it posted this weekend.

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Post Posted: Fri May 06, 2016 1:25 pm 
 

I also double-checked again and found a copy three hole punched.  Not sure of the printing but I can check this weekend...

The holes are punched through the cover as well.

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Post Posted: Fri May 06, 2016 3:24 pm 
 

Perhaps this hole-punching printings era can be narrowed down in time by looking across products printed with hole-punched versions?

IIRC, these products all had hole punching versions after non-hole-punched versions were initially printed:

- B2, seemingly?
- X1, seemingly?
- B4
- DM Log
- Monster & Treasure Assortment booklet
- Dungeon Geomorphs booklet
- Rogues Gallery booklet
- Moldvay/Marsh Basic set
- Cook Expert set
- others??

If we compare the begin/end printing dates for known hole-punched product printings, does that narrow down the window of when they were available or otherwise reveal any patterns we may have missed?

TSR must have been trying to tap into that 1980s Trapper Keeper market ;)   But more seriously, perhaps the release of the St. Regis licensed binders/folders might also coincide with the rise of the hole-punched rulebooks and modules?


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Post Posted: Fri May 06, 2016 3:56 pm 
 

grodog wrote in B2 Keep on the Borderlands 3 hole punched print research:TSR must have been trying to tap into that 1980s Trapper Keeper market ;)

I would bet this is absolutely on-target.  Every elementary & junior high kid in the U.S. lugged a Trapper Keeper to school in the early 80's; the same time period that TSR was pushing D&D to younger audiences.

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Post Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 9:29 am 
 

FoulFoot wrote in B2 Keep on the Borderlands 3 hole punched print research:
grodog wrote in B2 Keep on the Borderlands 3 hole punched print research:TSR must have been trying to tap into that 1980s Trapper Keeper market ;)

I would bet this is absolutely on-target.  Every elementary & junior high kid in the U.S. lugged a Trapper Keeper to school in the early 80's; the same time period that TSR was pushing D&D to younger audiences.


Agreed.  My thought was that if we compare the printing timeframes across the various hole-punched products, that they might line up into a "hole punching era" so to speak, perhaps beginning with the Moldvay Basic set.

Per the history of the Trapper Keeper @ Way Back When — Mead® Trapper Keeper it looks like they were introduced (from Wichita, KS, no less! ;) ) in 1978 and went big after first national TV campaign in June 1981 @ Way Back When — Mead® Trapper Keeper  

Per the Tome @ http://www.tomeoftreasures.com/forum/vi ... php?f=2063 it appears that the St. Regis line of D&D binders/folders were all launched in 1981 and 1982, which would make sense with them following on the coattails of the Trapper Keeper and D&D fads together.


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Post Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 11:21 am 
 

Didnt quite get it posted this weekend but here it is:

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I never thought about the "hole punching" era but that makes perfect sense to me.

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Post Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 5:17 pm 
 

misterspock:  perhaps retitle the thread to something like "B2 Keep on the Borderlands - 3 hole punched print research"?


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Post Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 7:55 pm 
 

done! Yeah, that makes sense with all the Trapper Keeper stuff. good call on that.

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Post Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 12:54 pm 
 

Here's a mix-match B4:  hole-punched booklet, cover unpunched:  https://www.facebook.com/groups/RPGAuct ... 9317366870


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Post Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 9:55 pm 
 

just an observation, the modules you had listed were all D&D ones, but no AD&D modules we've seen from that time period are hole-punched.
Except for the accessories Dungeon Master's Adventure Log and the Rogue's gallery.

  
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