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Post Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:43 pm 
 

What was the detachable page 47 and 48 in the Basic Rule book from 1977?

Ive had a set for a little while and just realized its not supposed to be a 46page rule book. :)

I cant find this on any web search.

  


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Post Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 11:51 pm 
 

Per Basic Diff it's a detachable page of reference tables.

You'd likely find the same (or better) information in the tables put together by Zenopus @ Holmes Ref - Reference Sheets for Holmes Basic Referees - Zenopus Archives and discussed at ZENOPUS ARCHIVES: Holmes Ref 1.0

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Post Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:36 am 
 

Amazing site! The forum wont let me register but ill keep reading!

  


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Post Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:33 am 
 

Tons of information there, I havent quite figured out exactly what table it is, but that is a great site.

  

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Post Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:10 am 
 

If you have a copy of the 1st Print (which has Tolkien references like Hobbits and Ents), you will notice the Wandering Monsters table is a bit erroneous because it lists creatures not in the Holmes Basic D&D rulebook. The error was corrected in subsequent printings.


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Post Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:03 am 
 

Found it!

REFERENCE TABLES
Front (pg 47/47): Only changes from 1st -> 3rd are Halfings -> Hobbits in the Saving Throw table, and a Registered Trademark symbol after the "DUNGEONS & DRAGONS" logo.
Back (pg 48/48): WANDERING MONSTER TABLE matches respective edition (see above pg 10); in 3rd, CLERIC VS UNDEAD TABLE has revised notation for "Number =" (see above pg 12) and also adds "(use 2d6)" below title; each HIT TABLE adds "(use 1d20)" below title.

  


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Post Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:06 pm 
 

It looks you found what you are looking for, but for reference here are the tables found on the Reference Sheet (page 47 & 48). All of this material is found elsewhere in the rulebook, and was also included in the Holmes version of Keep on the Borderlands.

Page 47
Magic-User Spells - the lists of First, Second and Third Level Spells
Clerical Spells - the lists of First and Second Level Spells, plus the paragraph of text immediately preceding
Saving Throw Table - Levels 1 to 3
Cost of Equipment and Weapons

Page 48
Wandering Monster Table
Clerics Vs Undead
Die Roll for Character to Score a Hit
Die Roll for Monster to Score a Hit


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Post Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:05 pm 
 

Thank you for taking the time to post. I got a third print of Basic but the rulebook was missing that last page. I just bought a replacement book - and it was missing it too. I didnt think of checking B2 either.

  


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Post Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:36 pm 
 

I would greatly appreciate the knowledge here:

Is the detachable page 47&48 from the 2nd edition November 1978 Basic rule book identical to the Third printing May 1978 Basic rule book?

The tables throughout both books are identical, but the detachable page in the second edition November 1978 has additions and changes.

REFERENCE TABLES
Front (pg 47/47): Only changes from 1st -> 3rd are Halfings -> Hobbits in the Saving Throw table, and a Registered Trademark symbol after the "DUNGEONS & DRAGONS" logo.
Back (pg 48/48): WANDERING MONSTER TABLE matches respective edition (see above pg 10); in 3rd, CLERIC VS UNDEAD TABLE has revised notation for "Number =" (see above pg 12) and also adds "(use 2d6)" below title; each HIT TABLE adds "(use 1d20)" below title.


The site above does detail changes between first and third editions, and maybe I am getting lost in all the reading, but I just cant figure out if there are differences in these two detachable tables.

  


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Post Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:26 am 
 

I got it.

The detachable page 47&48 from the 2nd edition November 1978 Basic rule book and the Third printing May 1978 Basic rule book is:

CLERIC VS UNDEAD TABLE has revised notation for "Number =" (see above pg 12) and also adds "(use 2d6)

It was all stated on the suggested web site above, which is great. I just didnt understand it all that well.

  
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