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Post Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:41 pm 
 

But if it is, I hope someone here knows and grabs it. :)



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Post Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:28 pm 
 

I bought it.. looks legit


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Post Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:18 am 
 

Awesome! Can you upload photos and details when you get it? Is the art live or printed? Just a request. :)

  

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Post Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:29 am 
 

He must have had 2 as we bought one also. Hope they are legit.


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Post Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:41 am 
 

Tszii wrote in I dont know if this is ligit:Awesome! Can you upload photos and details when you get it? Is the art live or printed? Just a request. :)



I kindly second this request.  I'd really be interested to see what this is, if that's okay with either of you.


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Post Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:18 am 
 

It looks like the page @ The Geek Flag: Dungeons & Dragons Series Bible has an image of the front page of the bible:

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Post Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:26 am 
 

Neato!

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Post Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:53 pm 
 

burntwire brothers wrote in I dont know if this is ligit:He must have had 2 as we bought one also. Hope they are legit.


Actually, he had 3 of them  8)
I looked at the eBay ID, as well as the other items listed, and figured that the person was connected with Hanna-Barbera and their name was J. Segal. A search pulled up a Jeff Segal, so I contacted him via eBay and confirmed that's who he is and that he had found 3 of these in a storage bin of his. Here is what else he had to say about these, as I inquired about the number of them and who from TSR was there for the presentation:

"I know Gary was consulted and attended meetings. There was a lot of interaction between Hanna-Barbera and TSR. I can't recall if Lorraine was involved at that early stage. I don't think we printed more than 15 or 20 copies...probably most of them no longer exist. I had 3 in one of my storage boxes. They were intended for pitch meetings with buyers (mainly CBS, NBC, ABC at that time) or first run syndication."

I would doubt that even 10 of these exist, but maybe those here who are connected with the Gygax estate or know Lorraine well enough to reach out, could shed some light on these interesting pieces of history. I think it is no coincidence that a unicorn (Uni) made it into the Evanier production  :wink:

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Post Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:34 pm 
 

Yeah, I figured the guy worked for Hanna-Barbera, but you never know. Thanks for the info.

Hope it arrives soon.  :D


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Post Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:47 pm 
 

PM-Knight wrote in I dont know if this is ligit:
Actually, he had 3 of them  8)
I looked at the eBay ID, as well as the other items listed, and figured that the person was connected with Hanna-Barbera and their name was J. Segal. A search pulled up a Jeff Segal, so I contacted him via eBay and confirmed that's who he is and that he had found 3 of these in a storage bin of his. Here is what else he had to say about these, as I inquired about the number of them and who from TSR was there for the presentation:

"I know Gary was consulted and attended meetings. There was a lot of interaction between Hanna-Barbera and TSR. I can't recall if Lorraine was involved at that early stage. I don't think we printed more than 15 or 20 copies...probably most of them no longer exist. I had 3 in one of my storage boxes. They were intended for pitch meetings with buyers (mainly CBS, NBC, ABC at that time) or first run syndication."

I would doubt that even 10 of these exist, but maybe those here who are connected with the Gygax estate or know Lorraine well enough to reach out, could shed some light on these interesting pieces of history. I think it is no coincidence that a unicorn (Uni) made it into the Evanier production  :wink:

Thank you - Paul


Ernie Gygax would be the guy to go to for info on this subject.  He worked on this with Gary in California.  He's actually talked about the show bible a couple of times (while telling stories of the old days).



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Post Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 2:51 pm 
 

I will ask Ernie at GaryCon this year.


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Post Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:31 pm 
 

It arrived and is very cool. Here is a quick breakdown:

Hanna-Barbera Dungeons & Dragons Presentation and Show Bible for a New Television Series Based on "Dungeons and Dragons" Published by TSR, Inc 10/28/82

It has 3 sections
-Story Synapsis
-The Characters
-Sample Story Premises

The characters:
-Daniel of Aarozon
-Princess Ara
-Morgoth, The Wizard of the Five Powers
-Lord Zarak
-Fodo, The Flying Monkey
-Tor, The Gnome
-Kub & Dub, twin elves
-Galen, old sorcerer turned into unicorn

There is also 10 single sided glossy pages of art.

Who knows maybe it would have been better than the Marvel version.


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Post Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:40 am 
 

I believe TSR would have had some small copyright issues again against tolkien by using Morgoth as a character...


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Post Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:37 pm 
 

If the name Morgoth is trademarked, then the Tolkien Estate could have claimed TSR violated the trademark. The only way there could be copyright infringement would be if TSR's Morgoth was so similar to the Tolkien version as to cause confusion. The name could be easily changed and likely would happen in the script revision process. Now, if TSR had done the same thing here that they had done with ents, hobbits, and the balrog, and lifted them wholesale from Tolkien, then a case could be made for copyright infringement.  I don't see any copyright infringement here, as TSR's Morgoth is apparently a mortal wizard of limited power while Tolkien's Morgoth is one of the Valar, an immortal with near-unlimited power.



  


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Post Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:20 pm 
 

Traveller wrote in I dont know if this is ligit:I don't see any copyright infringement here, as TSR's Morgoth is apparently a mortal wizard of limited power while Tolkien's Morgoth is one of the Valar, an immortal with near-unlimited power.


I agree. I think we should tolerate this Morgoth, & let him wander around our trees of light with his pet spider unsupervised. If he wants to make rings of power for us, we should accept them without compunction. What could go wrong?

  

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Post Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:49 am 
 

Howdy All,

It appears that there are alternate covers for this presentation piece. This one has the names of Gygax & Arneson as "Created by".


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Maybe this one would be more 'collectible' than the other version ...  PDT_Armataz_01_03


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Post Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:02 pm 
 

That is the second one with that cover, one sold a week or so ago.


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Post Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:26 pm 
 

Completed auctions show the seller has sold 8 copies - 4 copies of each cover.  Wonder how many more he has found.

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