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Post Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:38 pm 
 

Recent article of something we've mostly all heard before:

Dungeons & Deceptions: The First D&D Players Push Back On The Legend Of Gary Gygax

"History isn't just the story of bad people doing bad things.  It's quite as much a story of people trying to do good things.  But somehow, something goes wrong." C. S. Lewis


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Post Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:09 pm 
 

Odd how the article is mostly about Gygax ripping off Arneson, but it also describes Gygax writing Chainmail by himself (without mentioning Jeff Perren).

  

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Post Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:33 pm 
 

sauromatian wrote in RE: Dungeons & Deceptions Article:Odd how the article is mostly about Gygax ripping off Arneson, but it also describes Gygax writing Chainmail by himself (without mentioning Jeff Perren).


There are multiple issues with this article.   :?


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Post Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:04 pm 
 

It is probably the best that can be expected from journalism, where the writers must accomplish what research they can in a short space of time. (Perhaps the video documentary explains things more thoroughly.)

The article fails to really prove its thesis. It states that the true genius of D&D's creation is the creation of RPGs, regardless of the particulars of the game or how much of it is written down. If that idea is true, then why stop at Arneson? Why not say that David Wesely is the true creator of the RPG, or that it was the product of groups instead of a single individual?

For instance, the following is from the Wikipedia entry on Chainmail: "A set of man-to-man combat rules (for 1:1 figure scale), ultimately deriving from a contribution to Domesday Book #7. Gygax unfortunately lost the name of the contributor, and thus the rules were published anonymously. The core of these rules became the Appendix B chart mapping various weapon types to armor levels, and providing the needed to-hit rolls for a melee round."

Combat for individuals (instead of units) is a pretty big step in the evolution from wargames to RPGs, but its progenitor has been lost to the ages. Maybe we should credit this mysterious figure with inventing it all.

  

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Post Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:37 am 
 

sauromatian wrote in RE: Dungeons & Deceptions Article:...

For instance, the following is from the Wikipedia entry on Chainmail: "A set of man-to-man combat rules (for 1:1 figure scale), ultimately deriving from a contribution to Domesday Book #7. Gygax unfortunately lost the name of the contributor, and thus the rules were published anonymously.
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Oh, come on... Just put in Gygax shoes: assume you are one of the authors of the most famous rpg... Would you really credit someone after decades of glory? To be honest i am surprised that he mentioned the contribution...


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Post Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:03 pm 
 

aia wrote in RE: Dungeons & Deceptions Article: To be honest i am surprised that he mentioned the contribution...


Maybe Gygax said he lost the author's name because it wasn't actually submitted to the Domesday Book for publication. In that case, perhaps it was originally a mimeographed page of rules that he picked up from another gaming group, or even something copied from a published source. Gygax was involved in a lot of games by mail in those days, which must have involved receiving a ton of random bits of wargaming rules.

  
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