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Post Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:12 am 
 

Hello,

I am quite familiar with what goes on in ebay with DnD merchandise.  Pre 1990 in particular.  
I've been at this DnD thing now for almost four decades.
My first post here has been triggered by my curiosity in shrink wrapped DnD items.

Before I constructed this post, I did a perusal of previous posts on these forums, regarding shrinkwrap inquiries.

I hope this is not an overlap or a topic that has been beat-to-death here.
If so, feel free to cast me in a remake of the "thank you sir may I have another" Animal House scene.

From what research I did here on the forums, I did not encounter any instructions or indicators on what to look for in shrinkwrap (I understand there may be differences in shrink wrap according to age or period).
I am referring to items that have their original shrinkwrap and not some knockoff or 'reshrunk' item.
On that note, I also do not know exactly what to look for in items that have been re-shrink wrapped.  I get that there may be some obvious tell-tale indicators such as damage to the item that clearly would not have occurred under shrink wrapped conditions (scuffing for example).

I have shrinkwrap items that have very noticeable and thick seams; some items that have what almost appears as no seam; and other items that have 'flexible' shrinkwrap and others having a more 'brittle' shrinkwrap; and some items have a small circular 'hole' in the plastic wrap.

I am obviously confused by what to make of any shrink wrapped item.

Should I be looking out for anything in particular in the characteristics of shrink wrap? (ie. maybe certain dates have a characteristic shrinkwrap, or a series has a characteristic shrinkwrap etc).

In addition, I have noticed quite a few shrink wrapped items on ebay recently... not sure what to make of this either.

Thanks for any direction on this.
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Post Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:45 am 
 

Welcome brikke!  You have come to the right place!  While I have limited experience with shrink wrap, I have run into re-shrinked items, and this is disappointing.  It's also an underhanded way of making an item look like it's worth more than it really is.  This topic has been discussed before, but I can't remember a thorough how-to thread.  I think part of the problem is that different legitimate shrink wrap technologies and varieties have been used in the past.  It would be nice if D&D products that were shrinkwrapped could be grouped according to the type of shrink that might be found and what to look for in each case.  That would take significant time and effort.

If you have a particular item needing evaluation, simply post a picture or two, and that'll likely get a quicker answer.

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Post Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:37 am 
 

benjoshua wrote in Shrinkwrap legitimacy.:Welcome brikke!  You have come to the right place!  While I have limited experience with shrink wrap, I have run into re-shrinked items, and this is disappointing.  It's also an underhanded way of making an item look like it's worth more than it really is.  This topic has been discussed before, but I can't remember a thorough how-to thread.  I think part of the problem is that different legitimate shrink wrap technologies and varieties have been used in the past.  It would be nice if D&D products that were shrinkwrapped could be grouped according to the type of shrink that might be found and what to look for in each case.  That would take significant time and effort.

If you have a particular item needing evaluation, simply post a picture or two, and that'll likely get a quicker answer.

Again, welcome!   8)


Thanks for the welcome ben,

I'm overseas working and unfortunately my collection is a continent and an ocean away.  
Yes, it IS painful.

So no 'dice' on the sending pics for now.  
If there is any link you can send (or anyone else as well, for that matter), that could shed a brighter light on the topic of what to look for in shrink wrap items... it would be much appreciated.

I've been using this site as my go-to source for years... I figured it was time to step-up and represent.

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Post Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:27 pm 
 

There have been many conversations on SW over the years.  Here are some that might be of interest:

Shrink

How to spot original shrink-wrap vs. fake...

Spotting re-shrinked items?

Shrink Wrap validation inquiry and FGU Citadel

Recent prices for AD&D-D&D items in SW on Ebay

As always, shrinkwrap is NOT a condition...

  


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Post Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:22 pm 
 

dbartman wrote in Shrinkwrap legitimacy.:
As always, shrinkwrap is NOT a condition...


But it is something BEAUTIFUL to behold. :)


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Post Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:17 pm 
 

dbartman wrote in Shrinkwrap legitimacy.:There have been many conversations on SW over the years.  Here are some that might be of interest:

Shrink

How to spot original shrink-wrap vs. fake...

Spotting re-shrinked items?

Shrink Wrap validation inquiry and FGU Citadel

Recent prices for AD&D-D&D items in SW on Ebay

As always, shrinkwrap is NOT a condition...


Amen brother!


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Post Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:02 pm 
 

dbartman wrote in Shrinkwrap legitimacy.:As always, shrinkwrap is NOT a condition...


Ugh, tell THAT to my shrink.   :P

In all seriousness, that is very true.  Although I have an affinity for shrink wrapped items, I am very picky.  Crushed corners, warped backing, discoloration, etc all goes into the decision.  In my mind's eye, shrink is pristine or as close to it as possible.

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Post Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:40 pm 
 

I am not an expert, but I have some experience.
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The earliest mono shrink is loose, wrinkled and may bunch loosely ends. It stays flexible, like cling wrap that doesn't cling. 1978 or so.
I have seen two B2 first prints in shrink, the modules warped from being squeezed. The shrink is also brittle. I have seen one D3 6th print that showed the same warping but the shrink wasn't brittle.
The shrink seems good around 1980-1981. You can see an "H" seam across the back on many. These (always?) have an air hole or three.
Later modules, going into DL1+ the shrink seems to be heavier and it gathers/bunches at the sides or toward the front and back of the sides. Its the ugliest.

Box sets all have nice shrink with air holes going back to the Holmes set.

I have heard/read some shops wrapped their own modules early on, so that kind of opens up the door to anything if accurate.

  


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Post Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:08 pm 
 

Thanks all, so far for the informative feedback.

Much appreciated.

That makes sense that those small circular holes are in fact purposefully-designed air-holes.

I personally have never had an issue with suspicious shrink-wrap.  Even reviewing items online.

I'm not too fussed either way, just curious.

Again, appreciate all the bustle here so far.

  


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Post Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:17 am 
 

Tszii wrote in Shrinkwrap legitimacy.:The earliest mono shrink is loose, wrinkled and may bunch loosely ends. It stays flexible, like cling wrap that doesn't cling. 1978 or so.


I remember going to hobby stores in the 1970s & seeing all the shrinkwrapped items, including the loose shrink you describe. I was pretty young, & had only the vaguest idea of what a wargame is, much less fantasy role-playing games. The shrink only deepened the mystery.

  

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Post Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:47 pm 
 

Rather than go through all the legit variations of SW over the decades, perhaps it would be easier to show what a modern fake looks like. What a cheapo shrink wrap machine produces.  :?:

  

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Post Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:00 am 
 

I don't keep any shrinkwrapped sets in my personal collection. I've been burned enough times as a seller to avoid them. Aside from "fake" SW that I see from time-to-time, SW can also conceal damage. That, and my personal collection are games that I have a history with, and enjoy looking through them... SW gets in the way of that.

I do enjoy opening SW and documenting it... It's like a time capsule. I've got a Boot Hill Remington cover in shrink that I'm going to do an unwrapping video in the near future.

A couple of relevant pages at my blog:

Gamma World: Damaged inside the shrinkwrap

Dungeons & Dragons Expert Set – A shrinkwrap discussion



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Post Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:06 am 
 


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See the air holes in the back? Those are pretty hard to fake.


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Post Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:04 pm 
 

Unless you own a shrink machine.


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Post Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 10:51 pm 
 

I would have expected a much higher price.  Was that a BIN?

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Post Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:35 am 
 

Yes, that was the BIN price.

The BIN is probably not too far off from what it might have sold for at auction.

  

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Post Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:56 am 
 

I would have expected the shrink to the B1-9 to have the mid-seam in the back. I'll have to check mine.

EDIT: Checked my shrink B1-9 and it has the "H" seam on the back. It has a pair of air holes on the front. Also, my pages are completely tight in the cover, no white pages are visible. On the back of this B1-9, you can see the white pages along the bottom, like the cover shifted a bit when it was wrapped. For another example I checked my shrink T1-4 and it also has the"H" seam on the back. Both shrinks are are brittle and have the crinkle texture.

  

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Post Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:37 pm 
 

I should have been more clear with my verbiage. I didn't mean THAT module was legit, I wanted to show him an example of the air holes. You can't fake those easily without a shrinking machine. Can you show us an H seam, Tarmo?


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