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Post Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:10 am 
 

I am looking to find sources for original AD&D artwork, beyond what may be available directly from artists like Caldwell and Elmore on their websites, which is nonexistent or limited.

Does anyone know of a website that supports collectors of original artwork or a website that tracks auctions for this type of artwork?

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Post Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:24 am 
 

This was recently discussed here:

Erol Otus seeking original artwork scans for prints

It doesn't really give you the answer you are looking for, but you'll see some of the reasons your search may be challenging.  You'll also see who some folks who are interested in this kind of request.  I wish you the best...whoever you are!   Welcome to this site!  8)


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Post Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:20 pm 
 

the short answer to this question is that if you are after 2ed and before, you are 5-10 years too late and there is none for sale, now or in the foreseeable (unless you want some B&W interiors) .. the only way you could possibly get some is if you stumbled across someone that had the odd piece and wasn't aware of the current situation..

My personal suggestion is to look for 3rd ed and above if you want to collect some artwork.. or different game systems

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Post Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:47 am 
 

beasterbrook wrote in Locating original AD&D artwork:the short answer to this question is that if you are after 2ed and before, you are 5-10 years too late and there is none for sale, now or in the foreseeable (unless you want some B&W interiors) .. the only way you could possibly get some is if you stumbled across someone that had the odd piece and wasn't aware of the current situation..

My personal suggestion is to look for 3rd ed and above if you want to collect some artwork.. or different game systems

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I mean..... theres a price for everything right?

I'm sure there are some pretty rich fans that could shake loose some art with 5-6 figure numbers

  

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Post Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:35 am 
 

DarkHallway wrote in Locating original AD&D artwork:I am looking to find sources for original AD&D artwork, beyond what may be available directly from artists like Caldwell and Elmore on their websites, which is nonexistent or limited.

Does anyone know of a website that supports collectors of original artwork or a website that tracks auctions for this type of artwork?

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You could track down the author Jon Peterson, the odds are he'll have more answers in one place than anyone else you're likely to find.


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Post Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 5:13 am 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote in Locating original AD&D artwork:track down the author Jon Peterson


You have only to tap your ruby slippers, & all your tracking-down efforts may be rewarded, as you're already here.

  

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Post Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:45 am 
 

Is that you, then?
I don't know who the majority of people are here. Only a few of the old guard and those I have sold things to in the past.
If so, welcome. I must confess to not having read Playing at the World, I just don't seem to find the time to read most of what I have. That is the curse of collector, I have to spend my time doing other things in order to find the money to spend on things I want to collect. The alternative seems to be to have more time and less money unless you can figure out how to break the link, which I sure many find out how to do, but alas, that trick thus far has eluded me.

There has been a couple of discussions on chasing down historically significant pieces of FRP art, and your name comes to mind on account of the amount of research that I'm sure went into Art & Arcana. If a potential buyer was minded to park a considerable amount of his hard earned savings (not me and not my type of investment, although one that would appear to have considerable safety and possible upside against a deflationary currency), I would imagine you may know where some interested parties who may be persuaded to part with their wares in exchange for said considerable sums of money may reside.

That said, I suspect potential purchasers with the appropriate access to funds may either not realise what 'appropriate access to funds' really is, may not really understand what they are buying, and are only dipping their toes in the water looking for smaller doodles from smaller fish in the pond.

When EO goes looking for access to his own artworks, you know hard times are coming, and I don't imagine he'll have too much luck.


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Post Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:33 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote in Locating original AD&D artwork:Is that you, then?


I meant this website, which would be a good way to try contacting Jon (username: increment). Although the Covid-related isolation has me wondering if I'm actually a bot which exists to write meaningless posts (thus making it seem like the forum is more active than it really is), while my own simulated perception of reality is shrinking to an increasingly smaller space.

  

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Post Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 5:28 pm 
 

If you are looking for who the owners are of a lot of the pieces, you can simply look at the credits in the Art and Arcana book.

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Post Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 5:34 pm 
 

Okay... What about identifying notable products of the past few years and tracking down the art pieces that will be remembered as significant to this era in 10-20 years time?


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Post Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 8:18 pm 
 

as someone that knows stuff;).. there are already people offering 5-6 figure numbers now.. this is what you are up against.. most of it has already gone by the simple fact that high prices have already been paid

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I mean..... theres a price for everything right?

I'm sure there are some pretty rich fans that could shake loose some art with 5-6 figure numbers


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Post Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 8:36 am 
 

Of course there are points in time where art pieces inevitably cease to be commodities that can be invested in. The modern era is not dominated by artists who outline sketch, transfer sketches to digital platforms and complete their works digitally. So oil/acrylic on canvas is leaving the RPG community rapidly. There may still be time to snag original ink on paper works from artists of note, but many of those are also gravitating towards digital production processes. No-one is going to buy a copy of a digital file, even if the seller swears blind its the only copy on his original memory stick.


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Post Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 8:53 am 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote in Locating original AD&D artwork:No-one is going to buy a copy of a digital file, even if the seller swears blind its the only copy on his original memory stick.


An interesting idea. If you want a high-quality print for display, is it practical to send the file to a printer, who would then ship the print to you or to a framer? Do POD services already exist for art?

  

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Post Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 10:05 am 
 

But that is not buying an original piece of artwork, and the file you buy is just a copy of the file the artist created, and you then copy it again and send it to the printer who keeps it on multiple hard drives and doesn't destroy it after he's printed it either. So you are just buying a copy, which is a sub-$100 transaction, rather than buying a original art piece which may be 10 to 100 times that. Also, your print depreciates and can be replaced and/or replicated ad infinitum. Your original art piece cannot.

I can see why people want to buy and retain original artwork. I cannot understand why anyone would then allow it to be reproduced after the sale is done without compensation.

However, pencil sketches by some of the more talented modern artists may be worth something for those without such deep pockets. It'd be a scavenger hunt though, because many either have no idea anyone would be interested in their sketches, and others may be of the opinion that they will not part with the originals, lest they end up in EO's position 20 years down the line.

I suspect the days of oil on canvas are long gone, which can only add $$$ onto the price tags of masterpieces of yesteryear.


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mbassoc2003 wrote in Locating original AD&D artwork:But that is not buying an original piece of artwork, and the file you buy is just a copy of the file the artist created, and you then copy it again and send it to the printer who keeps it on multiple hard drives and doesn't destroy it after he's printed it either. So you are just buying a copy, which is a sub-$100 transaction, rather than buying a original art piece which may be 10 to 100 times that. Also, your print depreciates and can be replaced and/or replicated ad infinitum. Your original art piece cannot.

I can see why people want to buy and retain original artwork. I cannot understand why anyone would then allow it to be reproduced after the sale is done without compensation.

However, pencil sketches by some of the more talented modern artists may be worth something for those without such deep pockets. It'd be a scavenger hunt though, because many either have no idea anyone would be interested in their sketches, and others may be of the opinion that they will not part with the originals, lest they end up in EO's position 20 years down the line.

I suspect the days of oil on canvas are long gone, which can only add $$$ onto the price tags of masterpieces of yesteryear.


This is a massive discussion/movement within the MTG (Magic the Gathering) community. In fact, demand for orignal artwork has gone so high that many artists are chosing to do their work on canvas so they can make up to thousands (even tens of thousands) for the original piece (which they retain the rights to sell even though comissioned by WoTC for the card art.

  

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Post Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 3:47 pm 
 

I'd imagine an original art piece from some of the cards would be worth a fair bit, and from what I recall, most of the artwork had that done on canvas feel, rather than the more plastic anime feel many of the current crop of RPGs favour. Some of the artwork of the past 5 years in D&D has been spectacular, but you can tell its not oil on canvas but digitally created, and in those cases, there may be underlying sketch work, but nothing of any real tangible worth.

Maybe reverting to acrylics or oils is the way modern artists need to go to increase their commercial value as artists. And of course by doing so they eliminate a goodly chunk of their competition. For every artist that can achieve a painting on canvas, there are 10 who can only do so with digital manipulation.


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mbassoc2003 wrote in Locating original AD&D artwork:I'd imagine an original art piece from some of the cards would be worth a fair bit


Original Magic art is INSANE.. should have bough some


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Post Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:08 pm 
 

beasterbrook wrote in Locating original AD&D artwork:the short answer to this question is that if you are after 2ed and before, you are 5-10 years too late and there is none for sale, now or in the foreseeable (unless you want some B&W interiors) .. the only way you could possibly get some is if you stumbled across someone that had the odd piece and wasn't aware of the current situation..

Brette said what needed to be said. The people that have the major things now simply are not going to deaccess them. It is course still possible to find the odd one-off piece now and again, and really the best way to position yourself for that is to find people who were there back in the day, but are not attached to communities like this one - if they were, that stuff would be long gone.


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