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Post Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:31 pm 
 

Twitter thread with details on the lawsuit.

https://twitter.com/nohateingaming/stat ... reaKyh6zcA

  

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Post Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 5:56 am 
 

It’s about time, although some of it seems unsubstantiated, someone needs to put a stop to what they’ve been doing.
Watch out for the social media campaign begging for money.
How EGG Jr. can condone such a stain on his family’s reputation is telling of his moral compass and the values he was raised with, which is a real shame, but one does not get to choose what ones children do with their legacy.
It seems EGG Jr. values what his father did much differently to the rest of us.
Is this LaNasa EGG partnering a narcissistic meeting of minds and values?
Sorry, Sir Justin LaNasa. My bad.


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Post Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 6:47 am 
 

Ok, I spent way too much time reading that drivel.  Let me get this straight.  NuTSR wants to reprint or use old TSR material from 50 or so years ago which the woke WOTC believes would tarnish their reputation because of connotations in said material have been deemed racist. I'm going to puke if I read about orcs and drow one more time. Unless I'm completely off base with my thinking... So isn't their reputation being defiled with every reprint being dumped onto eBay today?  WOTC seems to be fine with that.  

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Post Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 8:10 am 
 

I think the woke insertions are just padding and fluff. Buzz words of the day as it were, and what the Twiteratti have elected to highlight. It helps to ensure that WotC's brand talked about, and that they are looked upon favourable by the kids of the day, to whom perception is more important that fact. It's free publicity and all that if they can get their products talked and written about.

However, as I read it (and this has been going on for quite a while now) WotC are right.
They own the trademarks, copyrights and imagery of TSR's product line, in their entirity, whether they choose to use them or not.
Their argument is that it is their product line, their IP, and their trademarks that LaNasa is trying to use.
And in that respect they are right.
The virtue signalling is an attempt to demonstrate urgency on the part of their litigation, and forewarn of the harm they perceive if LaNasa continues down theis road, and the resulting damages they will be pursuing.

All they are doing is playing Sir Justlin LaNasa's game. They will spend far more than they will ever be able to recover from him if they win, and that's a win for LaNasa. He has years to ensure his assets are in other people's names. Even if they win a multi-million dollar lawsuit against Sir Justin and his company, they are unlikely to ever recover it.

I don't believe for a minute that the D&D brand will be damaged by republishing Start Frontiers without a transgender character class, but I do believe (as with my position on all the PoD issues) that whether we like it or not, WotC own the IP and have the right to do with it as they please. I may not agree with the valitdity of the woke agenda, but to my mind that is trumped by the rights of ownership which WotC claim to have.

As I understand it, a number of luminaries (Darleve comes to mind) have come out and voiced their opposition to LaNasa's rewriting of TSR history and copyright over the years. As the creator of one of the TSR logos I understand she was approached by LaNasa/EGG Jr, asked to remember her employment contract with TSR differently, to which she adamantly and vociferously told them no, and to fuck off.


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Post Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:52 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote in WotC suing NuTSR:I think the woke insertions are just padding and fluff. Buzz words of the day as it were, and what the Twiteratti have elected to highlight. It helps to ensure that WotC's brand talked about, and that they are looked upon favourable by the kids of the day, to whom perception is more important that fact. It's free publicity and all that if they can get their products talked and written about.

However, as I read it (and this has been going on for quite a while now) WotC are right.
They own the trademarks, copyrights and imagery of TSR's product line, in their entirity, whether they choose to use them or not.
Their argument is that it is their product line, their IP, and their trademarks that LaNasa is trying to use.
And in that respect they are right.
The virtue signalling is an attempt to demonstrate urgency on the part of their litigation, and forewarn of the harm they perceive if LaNasa continues down theis road, and the resulting damages they will be pursuing.


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Post Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 3:00 pm 
 

Sir Kill Alot wrote in WotC suing NuTSR:Ok, I spent way too much time reading that drivel.  Let me get this straight.  

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You just saved me an equal amount of time. :)

  

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Post Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 4:36 pm 
 

It is a fairly informative read and it didn’t seem to have any overtly political bias. There may have been the odd tone from the commentator, foreshadowing of their own political viewpoint, but nothing that detracted from the objective presenting of fact, and it was quite an entertaining commentary to follow. If you’re interested in such matters it is pretty damn factual and succinct. Refreshing when you compare it to the usual op’ ed’ pieces the majority of the garbage pulp media gaming sites out there publish.


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Post Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 8:52 pm 
 

This thread gets beyond the legal documents, showing why Hasbro is so eager to squash it:
https://twitter.com/ZweihanderRPG/statu ... 6100270081

Negros are limited to +9 Intelligence? That's not unintentional anti-wokeness, it's someone trying to pick a fight on purpose. Maybe they are trying to manipulate Hasbro into giving them a payout to go away.

  

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Post Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 9:52 pm 
 

If the rules in that post are really true, they deserve EVERYTHING that comes their way in terms of lawsuits.  Something like that is both purposeful and absurd.  I think you are right sauromatian, this product would only be profitable via hush money.  What publisher would take a chance producing this?

Edit: just watched Tenkar's video on the core rules.  Dumpster fire doesn't even begin to frame this mess.  Ugh.

On a lighter note... I saw this in the Twitter feed under Tenkar's video..  

https://twitter.com/i/status/1568509442655756290

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Post Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2022 7:45 am 
 

Sir Kill Alot wrote in WotC suing NuTSR:What publisher would take a chance producing this?

Oh I don’t know. A narcissist and a spoilt kid who hated his father for not giving him the riches he believed he was entitled to? There’s something very Harry & Meghan going on in a marriage of souls like this. The divorce when it comes will be very mouthy, bitter and full of the most amazing petulance.


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Post Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 2:59 pm 
 

Sir Kill Alot wrote in WotC suing NuTSR:If the rules in that post are really true, they deserve EVERYTHING that comes their way in terms of lawsuits.  Something like that is both purposeful and absurd.  I think you are right sauromatian, this product would only be profitable via hush money.  What publisher would take a chance producing this?

Edit: just watched Tenkar's video on the core rules.  Dumpster fire doesn't even begin to frame this mess.  Ugh.

On a lighter note... I saw this in the Twitter feed under Tenkar's video..  

https://twitter.com/i/status/1568509442655756290

-SKA


Erik and I have been doing shows on this for the last year (Talking Crit on Youtube). Basically, LaNasa purchased the defunct symbols of TSR and Star Frontiers thinking this gave him some sort of control over what was published in the past, and has promised a new version that he's never written. His initial plan was to have WoTC hand him a million bucks to get the names back, but it never worked out that way. Trying to get their attention got LaNasa into a lot of online fights and he doubled and tripled down on the racist and homophobic material. He even hired a full blown swastika wearing neo Nazi (Dave Johnson) to edit and work on his material. He's suckered Ernie into joining his crew to give them some cred, and Ernie is such a ludicrous sad sack at this point he agreed to run games at the Hobby Shop Headquarters and kick back most of the money to LaNasa. They've never really created or produced anything yet, the entire operation is a scam.

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Post Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 5:02 pm 
 

So, in LaNasa World, if I buy a used pen on eBay, I get to lay some sort of claim to anything I may think someone wrote with it?

I’m more embarrassed for EGG Jr.


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Post Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:09 pm 
 

And this why we can’t have nice things.

  

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Post Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 7:10 pm 
 

Badmike wrote in WotC suing NuTSR:They've never really created or produced anything yet, the entire operation is a scam.

The entire operation is run by a politician for his own personal gain.
Why would it be anything else?


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Post Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2022 5:21 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote in WotC suing NuTSR:So, in LaNasa World, if I buy a used pen on eBay, I get to lay some sort of claim to anything I may think someone wrote with it?

I’m more embarrassed for EGG Jr.


I was also, but not anymore. He's absolutely made his bed here...he can sleep in it.

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Post Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2022 9:48 am 
 

And if anyone here or elsewhere was doubting or attempting to obfuscate that LaNasa is a blatant racist and bigot, here you go:

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Full Twitter post link: https://twitter.com/NoHateInGaming/stat ... 01/photo/1

Get this trash out of our game.

  

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Post Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2022 10:43 am 
 

for_the_love_of_the_stuff wrote in WotC suing NuTSR:And if anyone here or elsewhere was doubting or attempting to obfuscate that LaNasa is a blatant racist and bigot, here you go:

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Full Twitter post link: https://twitter.com/NoHateInGaming/stat ... 01/photo/1

Get this trash out of our game.


Are we certain that Morgoth is LaNasa, and that these screenshots are authentic?  If so, then I completely agree with you.

  


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Post Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2022 1:55 pm 
 

Skullhammer wrote in WotC suing NuTSR:Are we certain that Morgoth is LaNasa


Maybe it's a plot twist, & LaNasa will turn out to actually be Sauron all along.

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