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Post Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:03 pm 
 

I've been using the Acaeum quite a bit after discovering it thanks to another user on this forum. I see the site has a long history, and I imagine there is a solid continuity plan, given how much we rely on it (and its Facebook group too).

That being said, as an entrepreneur, who also would love to see a "merchant" class created in AD&D so business and treasure hunter skills get the recognition they deserve... I have actually learned that most businesses or projects do not have a good continuity plan, and that the best way to know is to ask and then stress-test it.

So I had my team hack the Acaeum this morning.

Just kidding :)

Getting to the point: does the Acaeum make money from eBay referrals? Given recent prices, I imagine eBay commissions would amount to a lot more than donations, no? I'm just curious given the assertion on the Donation page that it costs more to run than it generates, which A. Surprises me B. Saddens me and C. Concerns me as I'd like to see the site outlive me.

And of course I can donate. But first I'm curious how much I contributed in eBay referral fees :)

  


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:07 pm 
 

As a sub-thread / side-quest, anyone knows of any online multiplayer AD&D game that would have true virtual collectibles? The type that is only made of 1s and 0s and yet can go for $1,000s... And the type that can be represented by an NFT.

I welcome both the puns (based on what I saw from this community and its technological readiness so far) and serious responses :)

  

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Post Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:15 pm 
 

Funny you should ask...

Up until literally this morning, the site was supported by the now-occasional donation and eBay sales commissions.  Earlier today, eBay suspended our account for violations of their Terms of Service.  We have an appeal in, but aren't particularly hopeful; eBay for several years now has been looking for any excuse, no matter how minor, to suspend accounts, and our turn finally came.  It's a long, tiring discussion, but in reality does not mean the end of the world (nor of the site).  I have other websites that provide income that more than covers the cost to operate the server, so we're still just fine.

This suspension (banning, actually) just means that we won't earn commissions any longer off of eBay sales.  We're still able to run Auction Hunter and display auctions as we currently do, so nothing will change regarding the operation of the site or forum.

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Post Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:21 pm 
 

FoulFoot wrote in Acaeum "business model" question:Funny you should ask...

Up until literally this morning, the site was supported by the now-occasional donation and eBay sales commissions.  Earlier today, eBay suspended our account for violations of their Terms of Service.  We have an appeal in, but aren't particularly hopeful; eBay for several years now has been looking for any excuse, no matter how minor, to suspend accounts, and our turn finally came.  It's a long, tiring discussion, but in reality does not mean the end of the world (nor of the site).  I have other websites that provide income that more than covers the cost to operate the server, so we're still just fine.

This suspension (banning, actually) just means that we won't earn commissions any longer off of eBay sales.  We're still able to run Auction Hunter and display auctions as we currently do, so nothing will change regarding the operation of the site or forum.

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I'm sorry to hear that, and that's crazy, Foul. As a tech entrepreneur I see that type of abuse of power by tech giants as a worrying trend. I had my share with PayPal, which refused to release a scammer identity to my local police or any other of the various enforcement agencies I contacted, and also ruled in favor of a seller sending damaged goods, bc I wouldn't pay for return shipping more pricey than the goods themselves.

I am curious how big of a hole it cuts in the overall Acaeum budget, if only in %.

Regardless, count me as a donor. Feel free to DM.

  


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:22 pm 
 

gregory wrote in Acaeum "business model" question:As a sub-thread / side-quest, anyone knows of any online multiplayer AD&D game that would have true virtual collectibles? The type that is only made of 1s and 0s and yet can go for $1,000s... And the type that can be represented by an NFT.

I welcome both the puns (based on what I saw from this community and its technological readiness so far) and serious responses :)


I ran a search before someone answers "Google is your friend" and found this: Dungeons & Dragons Online® on Steam

But it looks like a simple slash'em up heavy on combat and light on story, mysteries and collectibles. Not what I'm looking for.

  

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Post Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:51 pm 
 

eBay commissions were netting us about $350 a month.  In exchange for that payment, eBay got to deliver one hard kick to the genitals every couple months, whether in the form of changes to their API (which necessitated coding changes on our end, often at the last minute); draconian demands for stats and lengthy explanations for Just What the Hell We're Doing With Their Data; frequent policy and procedure changes, with failure to immediately comply punishable by banning; etc etc.  Ten years ago, when I first implemented the eBay code, I was earning around $1500 per month.  For $1500 a month, a person is a lot more willing to undergo abuse at the hands of an employer, as it were.  For $350?  Eh, whatever.  My pride and self-worth does have a price tag, Mr. eBay, and it's $351. Keep your money.  I'm actually relieved to not have to jump through hoops for those idiots anymore.

I've watched literally dozens of other entrepreneurs on the eBay affiliate forum suffer the same fate over the years, and it's only ramping up in frequency.  My sad story is nothing compared the rumored high-five-figure commissions some people were earning per month, only to have their account banned because they didn't update quick enough to the newest eBay logo on their auction postings.  Now, this is all eBay's money and eBay's business model; they aren't in this for charity, and if they decide to slough off their affiliate partners (somewhat akin to laying off part of their workforce), well, that's just business.  My feelings aren't important.  I may disagree with their overall business strategy, but only time will tell who's right.  /rant off

You're more than welcome to donate, and any donation is certainly appreciated.  But please don't feel obligated; we're fine.  As I said, my other websites bring in plenty to cover the server costs, which nowadays is around $70 per month.  I've long since fired all the paid staff around here, so that $70 is literally the only overhead, which is not even as much as my home internet connection.

As far as long-term continuity, everything is pretty much on autopilot nowadays, barring the (very) occasional site update or bi-decade revamps to the Valuation system.  If I were to get run over by a bus tomorrow, it would theoretically keep running just fine as long as the server bill was paid.

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Post Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 8:01 pm 
 

FoulFoot wrote in Acaeum "business model" question:eBay commissions were netting us about $350 a month.  In exchange for that payment, eBay got to deliver one hard kick to the genitals every couple months, whether in the form of changes to their API (which necessitated coding changes on our end, often at the last minute); draconian demands for stats and lengthy explanations for Just What the Hell We're Doing With Their Data; frequent policy and procedure changes, with failure to immediately comply punishable by banning; etc etc.  Ten years ago, when I first implemented the eBay code, I was earning around $1500 per month.  For $1500 a month, a person is a lot more willing to undergo abuse at the hands of an employer, as it were.  For $350?  Eh, whatever.  My pride and self-worth does have a price tag, Mr. eBay, and it's $351. Keep your money.  I'm actually relieved to not have to jump through hoops for those idiots anymore.

I've watched literally dozens of other entrepreneurs on the eBay affiliate forum suffer the same fate over the years, and it's only ramping up in frequency.  My sad story is nothing compared the rumored high-five-figure commissions some people were earning per month, only to have their account banned because they didn't update quick enough to the newest eBay logo on their auction postings.  Now, this is all eBay's money and eBay's business model; they aren't in this for charity, and if they decide to slough off their affiliate partners (somewhat akin to laying off part of their workforce), well, that's just business.  My feelings aren't important.  I may disagree with their overall business strategy, but only time will tell who's right.  /rant off

You're more than welcome to donate, and any donation is certainly appreciated.  But please don't feel obligated; we're fine.  As I said, my other websites bring in plenty to cover the server costs, which nowadays is around $70 per month.  I've long since fired all the paid staff around here, so that $70 is literally the only overhead, which is not even as much as my home internet connection.

As far as long-term continuity, everything is pretty much on autopilot nowadays, barring the (very) occasional site update or bi-decade revamps to the Valuation system.  If I were to get run over by a bus tomorrow, it would theoretically keep running just fine as long as the server bill was paid.

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Thanks for the interesting zoom into the Acaeum mechanics. I can feel your pain on API changes since my business (now sold, but I'm still there) connects insurance company APIs to brokers... If you think eBay changing their APIs often is a pain, wait till you experience those we do...

I'll connect by DM. And you need to plan for contingency a bit further. Even if just to pay server bills (there are also security updates I imagine, and using 1and1 I know they'll force you to upgrade to the next version of PHP or MySQL or WordPress etc).

  


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:49 pm 
 

gregory wrote in Acaeum "business model" question:
I ran a search before someone answers "Google is your friend" and found this: Dungeons & Dragons Online® on Steam

But it looks like a simple slash'em up heavy on combat and light on story, mysteries and collectibles. Not what I'm looking for.


As a further side thread I have been playing DDO since 2007 almost daily and its great game for anyone who likes D&D.   Close to 3.5 rules (sort of) and uses many of the original AD&D modules as a basis for their story lines.   Gary Gygax and Dave Arneson voiced several of the "modules" and they even have a shrine to Dave in one area.

It pays good respect to the game and has a lot of build options.  You can collect all kinds of things for crafting but no NFTs...is free to play.  Does have lots of slashing and you can cast a fireball too.

Happy New Year and thanks for the site Scott!


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red wizard wrote in Acaeum "business model" question:
As a further side thread I have been playing DDO since 2007 almost daily and its great game for anyone who likes D&D.   Close to 3.5 rules (sort of) and uses many of the original AD&D modules as a basis for their story lines though not exact.   Gary Gygax and Dave Arneson voiced several of the "modules" and they even have a shrine to Dave in one area.

It pays good respect to the game and has a lot of build options.  You can collect all kinds of things for crafting but no NFTs...is free to play.  Does have lots of slashing but you can cast a fireball too.

Happy New Year and thanks for the site Scott!


This is great insight, maybe I judged it a bit too fast based on the screenshots I saw. Might be worth a try then, and I am super curious about hearing Gary and Dave's voices in the modules now!!!

  

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Post Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 4:16 pm 
 

DDO is a fantastic game.
Foul, why not simply tell them you will pull all auction links? Even if it's an empty threat?


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 4:48 pm 
 

They could care less.

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Post Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:04 pm 
 

gregory wrote in Acaeum "business model" question:who also would love to see a "merchant" class created in AD&D
It is not AD&D but rather OD&D in the form of Swords & Wizardry but perhaps this will work.

https://www.batintheattic.com/downloads ... v%2004.pdf

  


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Post Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:10 am 
 

robertsconley wrote in Acaeum "business model" question: It is not AD&D but rather OD&D in the form of Swords & Wizardry but perhaps this will work.

https://www.batintheattic.com/downloads ... v%2004.pdf


Oh nice ! Thanks for sharing. Now... I was thinking more of a merchant-adventurer class, a character who enters dungeons primarily to seek artifacts for collection and resale, and has a unique ability to haggle their way out of combat, at least with humanoïdes. Some of that description benefitted from help from Luke Gygax, I must mention.

So, thanks for sending this unique artifact... Now I need to possess a physical copy :) Which dungeon may it still reside in?

  
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